penn is well represented, as well as harvard. >> you have the terrible squeeze. harvard does a fantastic job. a lot of private institutions, a kid will end up with $100,000 in debt. public education is cutting back. it is a terrible squeeze. >> some of the work being done to integrate and we talk about the dangers of universities and businesses getting together. one thing we can do is create the ability for the schools at all levels to teach kids things that local employers need to be employed. then teach them something about shakespeare and the constitution and make them good citizens. give them skills that allow them to support themselves in the marketplace of the future. >> community colleges have been an engine but we're cutting back on community colleges. >> we talk about the full range of this. support of universities. more money is better. a business person thinks less money is better. today it is cheaper to start a business because all the tools are now available on the web. we have taken the cost of innovation down enormously. there are ways in which we